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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2012 19:20:11 GMT -5
...is freakin awesome! Everyone should go see it!
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Post by mister frau blucher on Dec 17, 2012 9:28:40 GMT -5
I agree, ewookie! I saw it on Saturday. I expected it to go on and on, since they are breaking it up into three movies, but it flew by pretty fast. Most of the elements they added were based on things from LOTR, and I liked how they treated the dwarves.
I know not everyone is happy with it, but I realy liked it.
No spoilers, please, for those who have not seen it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2012 10:25:20 GMT -5
yes, it was pretty much non-stop, action-packed. it has been a long time since i read The Hobbit, but i didn't see anything that wasn't in The Hobbit (to my recollection) other than a few scenes (15 mins of screen time altogether, tops) that were added or tweaked to tie-in to LOTR.
i thought they were originally going to make 3 parts, but that they changed their minds to make it 2 parts. now that you say that and i've seen the first one, i think i know where the 2nd part will end.
there were some really funny lines/scenes. i wanted to belt-out laughing. unfortunately, the audience i was in didn't seem to have a sense of humor so i had to muzzle it.
if anyone didn't like LOTR because it was 'slow', give Hobbit a chance. it was really fast-paced. if it weren't for the calls of nature, i would've never known it was a 3 hour movie.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2012 10:34:08 GMT -5
oh, and i was very curious how they would treat the dwarves. as i remember from the book, they were very comical or cartoonish. i think they did a good job. there were a couple that were 'cartoonish' in looks (3 out of 13 ain't bad) but most looked just slightly not human (about the same great treatment as the elves), some were just comical like merry and pippin from LOTR. thorin oakenshield had enough gravity for all of them. i kept expecting his musical theme to be some heavy metal grunge
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2012 10:50:05 GMT -5
man, i wanna go see it again. i'm hoping i can take my son...but it's PG-13 and i don't know if his grandparents will go for that.
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Post by mister frau blucher on Dec 17, 2012 13:46:17 GMT -5
Here are the things I recall that were not in the book:
SPOILERS - DO NOT READ FURTHER IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE MOVIE!!!!
SERIOUSLY!!!!!
STARTING NOW!!!!
First would be Radagast the Brown. He was mentioned once or twice in passing in LOTR, but never in the Hobbit. Still, it didn't bug me, even though it was a scatterbrained performance done for laughs, it still showed some of the whimsy of the story that did not come through in other areas.
The necromancer - the witch king of Angmar was historically active at this time, as revealed in LOTR, but was not mentioned in the Hobbit. I am fine with this, though.
Azog - he did kill Thorin's father, but he was killed later (not by Thorin). His role has been expanded considerably, presumably to give a personal feel to the Thorin's skirmishes with the orcs. Azog's son led the goblins at the battle of Five armies - it will be interesting to see whether this will be the case, or whether the rivalry with Azog continues to that point and he is the leader.
The council with Galadriel and Saruman present was not in the book.
There were a few other things that I don't recall, but none of this distracted from my enjoyment of the movie. They went to great lengths to make sure the "padding" (not using this in a derogatory sense) tied in with the lore later revealed in LOTR. So while not 100% true in letter to Tolkien, certainly in spirit.
I want to see it again, too. I'm sure I missed a lot of details in the first viewing.
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Post by Julianus Petronius Merenda on Dec 17, 2012 15:34:50 GMT -5
ADDITIONAL SPOILER HERE ...
As with Tom Bombadill in LOTR, they completely left out Beorn the "bearling"/lycanthrope, who actually had a role in the Battle of the 5 armies.
It -has- been a while since I read the book, but that fact stands out to me. Again, it has been a while... was there something in book about the stone giants or was that another one of the contrived scenes ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2012 16:08:41 GMT -5
@mister radagast i wasn't sure about that. i didn't remember radagast or 'The 5 Wizards' or Istari being mentioned in Hobbit, but the more i watched it, the more i thought i had just forgetten it. i don't remember him being mentioned in LOTR but i read the Silmarillion and remembered it being in there. the necromancer was mentioned in The Hobbit but i'm not sure if he was mentioned this early on...and i'm pretty sure he was not tied to the Witchking. it fit with LOTR though and didn't detract from Hobbit, so i was cool with it. azog - i have no recollection of him whatsoever. i would be willing to bet that he (not his son) will lead the orcs in the battle of five armies i did not remember galadriel being there but i was thinking saruman was. it has been a long time. since the Silmarillion was the last middle-earth thing i read, i think my hard-disk attempted to defragment and stored some stuff where it did not belong @julianus Tom Bombadil left out of LOTR. He was a character from another, fairly separate book of Tolkien's. it didn't bother me at all. in fact, when reading the books, i remember being perturbed that such an interesting and seemingly powerful figure was never revisited in the story. his presence was too anomalous to me. however, i was disappointed that they didn't _do anything_ with those trees that tried to eat the hobbits. i remember thinking that those were possibly the Ent-wives...and was quite displeased that neither merry or pippin felt it worth mentioning to Tree-Beard. Beorn. he was rather anomalous too. very interesting and seemingly powerful character that you only briefly meet. again, when reading the hobbit i kept wondering when and where he would show back up. it wouldn't bother me if they left him out. it bothered me that Tolkein left him in and never revisited him. however, i wouldn't rule out seeing him at the very beginning of part 2. rock giants. i'd like to see what bret remembers. i didn't remember it at first. when the first boulder was throne, it seemed familiar. i'm sure the movie trumped it up a bit if it was in the book. i did some wikipedia reading today. given impression that rock giants were in the book. however, i was also given the impression that, perhaps, the different printings and editions of the books varied a little on content...which might explain why i might remember some thing you 'older fellas' don't
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Post by mister frau blucher on Dec 17, 2012 17:54:54 GMT -5
I think there is still time for Beorn to show up - as I recall, it was right after their escape with the eagles, and before or as they go into Mirkwood. The first film leaves off right as they get dropped off by the eagles, so Beorn should be one of the first things we see in the next film.
The rock giants do show up. Different from how I remember picturing them in the book, but it is pretty well done.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2012 18:03:45 GMT -5
yes, it was right after the eagles dropped them off that we met Beorn, so he _could_ show up in the 2nd movie...but i'm betting he doesn't show up at all...for the reasons i've mentioned above. he is sort of a distraction from the main story.
also, i'm real foggy on this, but i think in the books, it was Beorn that warned Gandalf of 'the growing power of the Necromancer' and that Mirkwood had become a dangerous place. Radagast has fulfilled that obligation in the story.
don't get me wrong. he's cool as hell. i'd love to see some Beorn books or movies, but if he is not going to get any further treatment than he did in the book, i'd just assume they leave him out.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2012 15:02:15 GMT -5
hey hey hey... more wikipedia searches yields this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeornThe Swedish actor Mikael Persbrandt is cast as Beorn in Peter Jackson's The Hobbit. Beorn never actually shape-shifts between man and bear-form during the narrative of The Hobbit book: he is encountered in both forms, but his actual transformation appears "off-screen", away from the point of view of the main characters. Comments made by Weta Workshop indicate that in the adaptation, Beorn's transformation from man to bear will be a major special effects sequence. so we will be seeing Beorn!
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Post by mister frau blucher on Dec 19, 2012 10:16:31 GMT -5
Cool. I figured that if they are making three movies out of the books, he would have to be in there. They'll probably meet him before they head too far into the next movie, and then they will probably have him show up at the Battle of Five Armies in the third movie.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2012 10:35:06 GMT -5
yeah, i had totally forgotten that he DID show up again at the Bo5A. i was in 7th grade when i read the hobbit and it was the first book (longer than 50 pages kid stuff) i ever read. it was challenging for me already and when it got to the Bo5A, there were so many weird names being tossed around i glossed over.
...and this makes me kinda wish they weren't making the movies now. if there had been a good hobbit movie back then (cartoon doesn't count), i would probably have never started reading.
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Post by mister frau blucher on Dec 20, 2012 11:48:50 GMT -5
...and this makes me kinda wish they weren't making the movies now. if there had been a good hobbit movie back then (cartoon doesn't count), i would probably have never started reading. An interesting point, and you may be right. But on the other hand, I think the existence of the Harry Potter movies did not hurt sales of the books, so it is difficult to say. Maybe some kids do not bother with the books after the seeing the movies, but I think others are steered toward reading the actual books.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2012 11:58:24 GMT -5
good counter-point. while i probably would not have read the hobbit, i would have been looking for more 'fantasy fix'...and since there wasn't a whole lot of good fantasy movies back then, i probably would have found the other fantasy books i read anyway.
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