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Post by Lord Inar on Jan 18, 2013 18:03:03 GMT -5
@mister radagast i wasn't sure about that. i didn't remember radagast or 'The 5 Wizards' or Istari being mentioned in Hobbit, but the more i watched it, the more i thought i had just forgetten it. I loved the little jab at Tolkien Enterprises (being so stingy with their various properties) when Gandalf mentioned the other two wizards and then said ,”…And the two blue wizards, whose names I can't remember”! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Wizards
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2013 21:58:44 GMT -5
hmmm, i thought it was funny because there were no names given to them in the Silmarillion, as far as i recalled...i thought it was an inventive way of glossing over it.
but...from your link, i see that they were given names, at least in the Unfinished Tales...so i guess i laughed at a joke that didn't exist LOL
so, i know that TE is stingy (most anyone with copyrights these days are)...i take it there was some disagreement about how much money PJ should pay them to use their names in the movies?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2013 22:11:38 GMT -5
something that kept rattling in the back of mind when i was watching it...sometimes i felt like the movie was about to reveal something new and interesting about Gandalf...but it never happened, so i guess my imagination gets all the credit ... what if Gandalf (or any such 'guiding character') aged in the opposite direction of time? you may immediately understand what i mean, but to (hopefully) clarify... just for illustration (regardless of canon), let's say Gandalf was born sometime in the Fourth Age. He reaches his 80s somewhere around the end of the Third Age. it would be a creative way of explaining why he looks older in the Hobbit than in LOTR...and if the Valar sent the Wizards to guide the events of ME, what better way for them to know how to guide things. they know the future because they have lived it but the past is murky to them. basically, our future is their past and our past is their future. i still find myself fascinated with the idea. if anyone has read or seen anything with a similar idea, please let me know. i'd like to check it out. (but NOTE that i am _not_ talking about aging in reverse. i've seen that somewhere before)
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Post by Lord Inar on Jan 19, 2013 9:13:45 GMT -5
something that kept rattling in the back of mind when i was watching it...sometimes i felt like the movie was about to reveal something new and interesting about Gandalf...but it never happened, so i guess my imagination gets all the credit ... what if Gandalf (or any such 'guiding character') aged in the opposite direction of time? you may immediately understand what i mean, but to (hopefully) clarify... I can't say about Peter Jackson, but I know when Iron Crown Enterprises made their Middle Earth Games (RPG and card game), they needed to get special permission to use Alatar and Pallando, and I thought they mentioned that it cost them a disproportionate amount of money. I could be having aging brain syndrome again, though. As to your aging in reverse, that would explain why he seems relatively confident about the future but cant' seem to remember much about the past (relatively speaking).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2013 14:17:45 GMT -5
I can't say about Peter Jackson, but I know when Iron Crown Enterprises made their Middle Earth Games (RPG and card game), they needed to get special permission to use Alatar and Pallando, and I thought they mentioned that it cost them a disproportionate amount of money. I could be having aging brain syndrome again, though. that does sound familiar. i really wouldn't know though. i was introduced to MERP in late 80s and absolutely loved it but never knew much about it's real-world background.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2013 18:38:16 GMT -5
i finally saw it again last night. this may sound petty but it looks like Smaug is going to be blue. that sux. this is the freaking hobbit and this is freaking smaug. your classic fire-breathing dragon is supposed to be red and this is a classic story about a classic dragon. this ain't no 'how to train your dragon' stuff. once they zoomed in on his eye, i think there were speckles of red but for the most part, he was blueish in color. i'm hoping this is because he has been asleep for a long time or something and once he wakes up and gets circulation going he will be an unmistakable shade of red.
i think i enjoyed this viewing even more because i knew it was safe to go pee during the Radagast scene.
i was still surprised that no one in this showing laughed when the troll found bilbo in his snot-rag and said "look what came out of my hooter [nose]!"
still the funniest scene to me is when Gollum is trying really hard to figure out the egg riddle. he makes a series of faces that looks like he's trying to squeeze something out! LOL
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2013 15:01:15 GMT -5
something that kept rattling in the back of mind when i was watching it...sometimes i felt like the movie was about to reveal something new and interesting about Gandalf...but it never happened, so i guess my imagination gets all the credit ... what if Gandalf (or any such 'guiding character') aged in the opposite direction of time? you may immediately understand what i mean, but to (hopefully) clarify... just for illustration (regardless of canon), let's say Gandalf was born sometime in the Fourth Age. He reaches his 80s somewhere around the end of the Third Age. it would be a creative way of explaining why he looks older in the Hobbit than in LOTR...and if the Valar sent the Wizards to guide the events of ME, what better way for them to know how to guide things. they know the future because they have lived it but the past is murky to them. basically, our future is their past and our past is their future. i still find myself fascinated with the idea. if anyone has read or seen anything with a similar idea, please let me know. i'd like to check it out. (but NOTE that i am _not_ talking about aging in reverse. i've seen that somewhere before) was talking with my brother over the weekend about The Hobbit and brought this up. He told me this is how Merlin was described in The Once and Future King by T.H. White. I never actually read that book but I knew this idea seemed familiar.
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