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Post by platimus on Jan 6, 2021 11:56:48 GMT -5
OK, I've got a sticky thread for this topic at the top of this forum. Let me know if it needs more clarification. Good sticky! These labels are ALWAYS a general guideline...no matter what metric you use (Stat points vs XP). The type of questions I still see in the future... If I have 34 point characters with 8-10 skill levels each, should they attempt the "for 38 point characters" adventures? Or should they stick to the 34point adventures? Or maybe split the difference and go for the 36point adventures? I simply think using "for nn XP characters" can avoid some of those questions.
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Post by mister frau blucher on Jan 6, 2021 13:07:22 GMT -5
The bit you quoted from me is not my opinion on xp - it is clearly my opinion on labeling adventures with "XX xp" rather than "XX point characters." You have to squint pretty hard to think that I am talking about experience points themselves.
What you have typed out is pretty straightforward - of course you have xp earned and xp spent - but not intuitive to those who have not played the game and applied xp to their characters. That is the whole point here - a brief note on the power levels an adventure is intended for. Not sure how you extrapolated that into an opinion on experience points?
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Post by platimus on Jan 6, 2021 15:04:09 GMT -5
The bit you quoted from me is not my opinion on xp - it is clearly my opinion on labeling adventures with "XX xp" rather than "XX point characters." You have to squint pretty hard to think that I am talking about experience points themselves. Yes, you do have to squint pretty hard to think that. Which has me wondering why you think I thought that??? I didn't. But your opinion of XP as a poor indicator of power levels...still continues to shock me. The notion that it is not intuitive still shocks me as well. I feel like I'm talking to Bizarro from the Superman comics here!
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Post by mister frau blucher on Jan 6, 2021 15:49:25 GMT -5
The bit you quoted from me is not my opinion on xp - it is clearly my opinion on labeling adventures with "XX xp" rather than "XX point characters." You have to squint pretty hard to think that I am talking about experience points themselves. Yes, you do have to squint pretty hard to think that. Which has me wondering why you think I thought that??? I didn't. But your opinion of XP as a poor indicator of power levels...still continues to shock me. The notion that it is not intuitive still shocks me as well. I feel like I'm talking to Bizarro from the Superman comics here! I agree this is like talking to Bizarro. Which is why I wonder if you are just trying some funny trolling? But in case you are not: 1. You said, "I was just blown away by your opinion of XP." in the last post of the previous page, when you went on at some length about xp. So it seemed that you were, therefore, talking about my "opinion on XP." as you claimed. Which I was not talking about. 2. You are misrepresenting my words again. Show me where I said, "XP is a poor indicator of Power Levels." You won't find it anywhere. I never said that. That is not my opinion, as you are claiming. What I did say, clearly, was, "XX point characters" is a better shorthand indicator for power levels than "XX xp" because someone who has never built an 80 xp point character will not know roughly how many attribute points that is. I get that you disagree, but you should stop reading stuff into what I am saying.
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Post by platimus on Jan 6, 2021 16:14:51 GMT -5
LOL I quoted you above and addressed it. Then you requoted it back to me! Apparently I misunderstood you. Apparently you DO think that XP is a good indicator for power levels. However, you don't think people will understand it. Obviously, I disagree. Let's move on with our lives
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Post by mister frau blucher on Jan 6, 2021 20:12:35 GMT -5
LOL I quoted you above and addressed it. Then you requoted it back to me! Apparently I misunderstood you. Apparently you DO think that XP is a good indicator for power levels. However, you don't think people will understand it. Obviously, I disagree. Let's move on with our lives I agree you should have moved on, many posts ago. But you continue to willfully misrepresent my words. "However, you don't think people will understand it." That is wrong. Again. I never said that. Again. You are trolling now. Stop it.
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Post by platimus on Jan 6, 2021 23:05:24 GMT -5
Bret, I'm not sure what's going on with you, buddy. I'm not trolling. I hope you get to feeling better.
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Post by mister frau blucher on Jan 7, 2021 0:01:01 GMT -5
Right.
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Post by mister frau blucher on Jan 7, 2021 8:43:09 GMT -5
Some background for those reading the above ridiculousness:
This will be short and to the point, since he cannot reply here anymore.
Platimus has periodically been a problem on here with his passive-aggressive behavior, both as platimus and his earlier incarnation as ewookie. His innocent-belligerence shtick drove away at least three posters, and there was always drama behind the scenes, with his sending me pm's full of paranoia about other posters and even me. I tolerated him because he had some interesting points, and I had sympathy for the story he shared with me (assuming it was even true).
But I did ban him about five years ago, when his drama on the boards and off of it crossed the line. I sent him an email detailing why, and my hope that he would seek some help. He gave me a three word reply, two of which were expletives.
A couple of years ago he wrote me an email apologizing, and I was moved by its apparent sincerity. He asked to come back, and I let him. It did not take him long to again display the passive-aggressive edge, but since there was no back stage drama and no posters leaving over him, I kept giving him more rope.
This thread shows his classic traits, from veiled belligerence, to claiming he was told ridiculous things (that he can't link to), to willfully misrepresenting what is being said while throwing out smilies and "let's move on" rhetoric while he continues to take false pot shots, to outright lies.
The temptation is to just kill this thread, but I'll leave it up so you can judge whether you think I am fair or not. Just be sure to read some of his other posts, particularly from a half-decade ago and as ewookie. If you feel you have an issue with my moderation and banning him again, feel free to contact me via pm, or right here if you feel compelled.
These boards have almost always been a positive place, and I want to make sure it is all the time. No problem with disagreements or even arguing, as long as it is done in good faith.
Bret
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Post by jonathan1971 on Jan 10, 2021 10:35:48 GMT -5
I guess I didn't understand what your intention was. I took the new rule to mean that you wanted the players to focus more on skills versus attribute progression making the adventures more challenging by slowing down advancement.
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Post by mister frau blucher on Jan 11, 2021 15:09:25 GMT -5
I guess I didn't understand what your intention was. I took the new rule to mean that you wanted the players to focus more on skills versus attribute progression making the adventures more challenging by slowing down advancement. This pretty much sums it up. Attributes were too easy to increase, and if you played several of the adventures in a row as a campaign, you could overpower the adventures. This tweaks it a bit, both slowing down attribute increases and making skills more attractive to purchase.
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Post by youknowwho on Nov 20, 2021 23:21:54 GMT -5
IMO, rating adventures by attribute points is better than using experience points. As this thread indicates, XP rules can easily change to a point where more are handed out or advancements cost more. A 32-point character will always be a 32-point character. Attribute points are the basic building blocks of the game.
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